Comments on: Local Pirates and Cheats – Something to get worked up about http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/ The Latest Gaming News Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:44:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Milesh Bhana ZA http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/comment-page-1/#comment-46539 Milesh Bhana ZA Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:40:44 +0000 http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/#comment-46539 I wonder if they'll take that risk (completely digital), that would hurt ALOT of retail outlets. I'm sure places like Gamestop, Best Buy etc (sorry i don't know big US retail chains), may actually be able to sue MS/Sony for cutting them out. Yes, i know it's not against the law, but US lawsuits are always... interesting. I wonder if they’ll take that risk (completely digital), that would hurt ALOT of retail outlets.

I’m sure places like Gamestop, Best Buy etc (sorry i don’t know big US retail chains), may actually be able to sue MS/Sony for cutting them out.

Yes, i know it’s not against the law, but US lawsuits are always… interesting.

]]> By: tv_ex_pirate http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/comment-page-1/#comment-46538 tv_ex_pirate Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:02:01 +0000 http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/#comment-46538 Actually, I see nothing wrong with downloading tv-shows. I pay my TV licence, i pay my DSTV subscription, i pay for the bandwidth. So why can't i download Fringe S2 instead of waiting till Feb 2010 when they'll start airing it. I'd rather see it now, that having it spoilt by reading a news site and seeing spoilers. (I found out who the final 5 were in BSG before we got it here... how kuk is that!!, that's what happens when you're so far behind the rest of the world) I don't get downloaded shows anymore, but not because i'm now against it, I eventually invested in a PVR, and keeping up with what's airing is all i have time for, no need to skip ahead. Actually, I see nothing wrong with downloading tv-shows. I pay my TV licence, i pay my DSTV subscription, i pay for the bandwidth. So why can’t i download Fringe S2 instead of waiting till Feb 2010 when they’ll start airing it. I’d rather see it now, that having it spoilt by reading a news site and seeing spoilers.

(I found out who the final 5 were in BSG before we got it here… how kuk is that!!, that’s what happens when you’re so far behind the rest of the world)

I don’t get downloaded shows anymore, but not because i’m now against it, I eventually invested in a PVR, and keeping up with what’s airing is all i have time for, no need to skip ahead.

]]> By: lariato http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/comment-page-1/#comment-46526 lariato Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:29:10 +0000 http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/#comment-46526 I hate the fact that pirates make any excuse to justify piracy. And that, in my opinion, is the reason why PC gaming is in the pits at the moment. Hey, I don't mind backing up your own crap, but when companies like the source (whom I've admittedly bought Japanese only games from before), spin it off and say "we're a back-up service", it ticks me off. How is it possible to be a back-up service when you have games that aren't even released yet? Also, Second hand games aren't the issue, the game has been bought and paid for already, it's like a transfer of ownership I'd like to think :whistle: I hate the fact that pirates make any excuse to justify piracy. And that, in my opinion, is the reason why PC gaming is in the pits at the moment.

Hey, I don’t mind backing up your own crap, but when companies like the source (whom I’ve admittedly bought Japanese only games from before), spin it off and say “we’re a back-up service”, it ticks me off. How is it possible to be a back-up service when you have games that aren’t even released yet?

Also, Second hand games aren’t the issue, the game has been bought and paid for already, it’s like a transfer of ownership I’d like to think :whistle:

]]> By: UrbanCr33per http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/comment-page-1/#comment-46438 UrbanCr33per Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:23:38 +0000 http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/#comment-46438 Sparrow, I do believe that any form of piracy is wrong. It equates to theft. My collection of movies made up of almost 300 legit DVDs, which I bought over the years. The music I have is in the form of my collection of music CDs that I have bought. I also don't pirate applications ... if I can't afford an application, I either go without it, or I get an open source alternative. So you won't see me in the "tjokie" ... you'll be there all on your own (and considering that you're so vocal about your piracy, I'm hoping that they're going to make an example of you ... deal with you first). Do the speeding fines I've received bother me endlessly? No ... I've paid for the fines that I've received ... and each time when I paid, I knew that I got what I deserved. That doesn't make me a hypocrite. Sparrow, have you been "blessed" with a low IQ? Do the people you know refer to you as "special"? Your logic is totally illogical. I don't see how speeding fines tie in with piracy ... because speeding fines are the punishment, not the crime. So by me getting speeding fines, I have received my punishment ... your punishment is still waiting for you. Sparrow, which ever way you want to rationalize it ... piracy is theft (based on the law, not my interpretation of it). Considering that you don't have any problem with piracy and theft ... don't complain the next time someone breaks into your house and cleans you out, or the next time someone hijacks your car ... "car manufacturers are ripping us off, so I'm not going to buy a car, I'm just going to take one" ... that's what your rationale translates to ... so don't get upset when someone else has this rationale and takes your car or your TV. In the end, the wheel is turning ... you might be gloating in piracy now, but the day is going to come when you will be punished for it. It's karma. When your life goes sour oneday, just remember what I'm telling you today ... you brought it on yourself! Sparrow, I do believe that any form of piracy is wrong. It equates to theft. My collection of movies made up of almost 300 legit DVDs, which I bought over the years. The music I have is in the form of my collection of music CDs that I have bought. I also don’t pirate applications … if I can’t afford an application, I either go without it, or I get an open source alternative. So you won’t see me in the “tjokie” … you’ll be there all on your own (and considering that you’re so vocal about your piracy, I’m hoping that they’re going to make an example of you … deal with you first).

Do the speeding fines I’ve received bother me endlessly? No … I’ve paid for the fines that I’ve received … and each time when I paid, I knew that I got what I deserved. That doesn’t make me a hypocrite. Sparrow, have you been “blessed” with a low IQ? Do the people you know refer to you as “special”? Your logic is totally illogical. I don’t see how speeding fines tie in with piracy … because speeding fines are the punishment, not the crime. So by me getting speeding fines, I have received my punishment … your punishment is still waiting for you.

Sparrow, which ever way you want to rationalize it … piracy is theft (based on the law, not my interpretation of it). Considering that you don’t have any problem with piracy and theft … don’t complain the next time someone breaks into your house and cleans you out, or the next time someone hijacks your car … “car manufacturers are ripping us off, so I’m not going to buy a car, I’m just going to take one” … that’s what your rationale translates to … so don’t get upset when someone else has this rationale and takes your car or your TV.

In the end, the wheel is turning … you might be gloating in piracy now, but the day is going to come when you will be punished for it. It’s karma. When your life goes sour oneday, just remember what I’m telling you today … you brought it on yourself!

]]> By: Super_Bonk http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/comment-page-1/#comment-46253 Super_Bonk Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:00:31 +0000 http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/#comment-46253 Kudos for the calm discussion. Now let me finish that report I am suppose to get done Kudos for the calm discussion. Now let me finish that report I am suppose to get done

]]> By: IloveBobbyKotick http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/comment-page-1/#comment-46250 IloveBobbyKotick Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:48:42 +0000 http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/#comment-46250 I know what you're getting at, but it seems the only way not to sign a EULA is to not use the application (i.e. no to install it). Unfortunately, there's no way around it. As for region locking, be it in browsers (hulu, netflix etc.), games or even physical media like DVDs, the legality of it can be tested but it stands as is. Hulu and netflix will say that they only have a license for US users, and the same is true for why DVDs and games are locked. You could always argue that all of this is artificial, and become a pirate :pirate: @Super_bonk: Yeah they did lose a lot of steam during that ill-fated second season, but the writer's strike might have had more to do with that then anything else. I just hope it doesn't become a jumbled up mess like Lost. I know what you’re getting at, but it seems the only way not to sign a EULA is to not use the application (i.e. no to install it). Unfortunately, there’s no way around it. As for region locking, be it in browsers (hulu, netflix etc.), games or even physical media like DVDs, the legality of it can be tested but it stands as is. Hulu and netflix will say that they only have a license for US users, and the same is true for why DVDs and games are locked. You could always argue that all of this is artificial, and become a pirate :pirate:

@Super_bonk: Yeah they did lose a lot of steam during that ill-fated second season, but the writer’s strike might have had more to do with that then anything else. I just hope it doesn’t become a jumbled up mess like Lost.

]]> By: Super_Bonk http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/comment-page-1/#comment-46247 Super_Bonk Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:27:20 +0000 http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/#comment-46247 @IloveBobbyKotick I agree with you 100 percent. But to me EULA and regional locking are two different things. What I am trying to get at is if you question the validity of it hard enough than it carries no weight. Oh and Heroes has not been the same since the first season. More of a Fringe guy these days. @IloveBobbyKotick

I agree with you 100 percent. But to me EULA and regional locking are two different things. What I am trying to get at is if you question the validity of it hard enough than it carries no weight.

Oh and Heroes has not been the same since the first season. More of a Fringe guy these days.

]]> By: IloveBobbyKotick http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/comment-page-1/#comment-46237 IloveBobbyKotick Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:52:19 +0000 http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/#comment-46237 I agree, but I think it should extend to movies, tv shows and music .. oh wait it does (better start deleting some stuff of your hard drives folks) :pirate: I agree, but I think it should extend to movies, tv shows and music .. oh wait it does (better start deleting some stuff of your hard drives folks) :pirate:

]]> By: IloveBobbyKotick http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/comment-page-1/#comment-46236 IloveBobbyKotick Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:46:19 +0000 http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/#comment-46236 Region locking is legal (i.e. as defined by some legal statute, be it a law or even an end user agreement etc.), circumventing region locking on the other hand is illegal (because you're breaking an end user agreement), however it does get murky, because not all territories recognise those declarations.. cough China... (copyright legislation works in the same way, hence you can freely download in Canada, or until recently, when they changed their laws Sweden). In any case, in South Africa, our laws are pretty clear on where we stand regarding copyright etc., so if you're downloading intellectual material YOU ARE A PIRATE :p And that includes you... Mr "I've been watching last week's Heroes season 4" :pirate: Region locking is legal (i.e. as defined by some legal statute, be it a law or even an end user agreement etc.), circumventing region locking on the other hand is illegal (because you’re breaking an end user agreement), however it does get murky, because not all territories recognise those declarations.. cough China… (copyright legislation works in the same way, hence you can freely download in Canada, or until recently, when they changed their laws Sweden). In any case, in South Africa, our laws are pretty clear on where we stand regarding copyright etc., so if you’re downloading intellectual material YOU ARE A PIRATE :p And that includes you… Mr “I’ve been watching last week’s Heroes season 4″ :pirate:

]]> By: Super_Bonk http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/comment-page-1/#comment-46235 Super_Bonk Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:33:53 +0000 http://www.lazygamer.co.za/south-africa/local-pirates-and-cheats-something-to-get-worked-up-about/#comment-46235 Oops!! Sorry for the badly written post up there! Oops!! Sorry for the badly written post up there!

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